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February 23, 2005

Matthew Williams & Ann Jones: marriage

Matthew Williams & Ann Jones: marriage

1852

Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Trefeglwys in the County of Montgomery

No 189

When Married December 18th 1852

Name and Surname Matthew Williams Ann Jones

Age 24 22

Condition Bachelor Spinster

Rank or Profession Labourer -

Residence at the time of Marriage Tynalia Nantyreidau

Father's Name and Surname David Williams Thomas Jones

Rank or Profession of Father Farmer Labourer

Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church, by or after Banns by me, James Morgan, Vicar

This Marriage was solemnized between us, The mark X of Matthew Williams The mark X of Ann Jones

in the Presence of us, The Mark X of Thomas Jones David Tilsley

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February 20, 2005

Ashton: Trefeglwys Church

Ashton: Trefeglwys Church

Records from Trefeglwys Church

ASHTON FAMILY RECORDS

1799 John Ashton ? Church Warden

Plaques on wall in Trefeglwys Church, Montgomeryshire:-

Valentine Ashton of Geseilfa died 12/10/1816 ? aged 92, wife Mary died age 70, son John died 18/5/1834 aged 85

Thanks, Margaret!

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Ashton: Marriages, Trefeglwys Church

Ashton: Marriages, Trefeglwys Church

MARRIAGES

14/5/1814 Maurice Williams v Ann Ashton

10/6/1815 Richard Lewis v Mary Ashton

3/2/1816 Evan Manuel v Elizabeth Ashton

10/5/1816 Benjamin Ashton v Elizabeth Evans

22/2/1817 Richard Ashton v Ann Davies

2/5/1817 George Ashton v Elizabeth Humphreys in the presence of Charles Ashton

17/12/1817 Charles Ashton v Ann Rees

8/11/1818 Thomas Ashton v Jane Owen

4/10/1820 William Hamer v Mary Ashton

6/4/1821 John Bowen v Mary Ashton

19/5/1821 Charles Jones v Ann Ashton

18/8/1821 Valentine Ashton v Mary Humphreys

6/4/1824 Edward Edwards v Ann Ashton

1/10/1825 Richard Ashton v Jane Jones

18/11/1825 Thomas Jones v Martha Ashton

3/7/1831 Edward Ashton v Mary Jones

27/10/1832 Edward Ashton v Mary Lewis

22/7/1837 Charles Ashton (widower ? labourer) v Elizabeth Davies, father Edward Morris (shoemaker)

31/10/1837 Valentine Ashton (widower ? grocer) v Martha Owens ? father Richard Owens, Valentine?s father ? farmer

2/6/1838 Richard Ashton (weaver) v Ann Lewis ? father weaver

4/6/1842 John Ashton (farmer) v Mary Lewis ? Valentine?s father, farmer

16/7/1842 Jane Ashton v Edward Rees (farmer) Jane?s father ? Valentine

16/7/1842 Richard Thomas v Ann Ashton (servant) ? father Edward Ashton (weaver)

11/10/1843 David Davies v Mary Ashton ? father Charles Ashton (mason) Residence, Gribbin Fach

1/1/1850 Thomas Ashton (shoemaker, father Valentine, farmer) v Mary Mills

16/11/1850 Daniel Davies v Elizabeth Ashton (father Charles Ashton, carpenter) of Glan Uchaf

14/11/1854 John Ashton (age 50, father Valentine Ashton, farmer of Maesyblawr) v Anne Owens (age 25)

19/4/1865 John Bywater (age 47, widower, Innkeeper, Black Lion, Llangurig) v Anne Ashton (father Charles Ashton, labourer)

8/6/1861 Benjamin Davies, farm servant v Jane Ashton (father Charles, farmer)

11/10/1862 William Griffiths (aged 20), farmer v Sarah Ashton (age 25) father Richard Ashton, farmer

27/1/1866 Richard Edwards (age 21) v Martha Ashton (age 19) father Edward Ashton, farmer

30/3/1867 John Davies v Ann Ashton (father Richard Ashton, farmer), Nantygwarthy

23/5/1868 Mary Ashton (23), (father John Ashton, farmer of Longhill) v John Evans (23) labourer

1/11/1872 John Ashton (father John, farmer) v Elizabeth Owen

22/5/1872 Richard Thomas (22), farm servant v Sarah Ashton (22) domestic (father John Ashton, farmer)

22/1/1875 Richard Ashton (26) father Richard Ashton, farmer v Martha Chapman (24)

24/12/1875 Daniel Smith (23) miner v Hannah Ashton (23) domestic, father Richard, farmer

23/12/1879 Edward Wigley (23) miner v Jane Ashton (23) domestic, father Richard, farmer

18/6/1880 Edward Ashton (21) labourer, father John Ashton, farmer v Hannah Jones (19) domestic servant

7/5/1886 Richard Ashton (22) labourer of Caiago, father Richard, farmer v Anne Jones (22)

17/10/1891 Lewis Lewis (24) operative v Sarah Ashton (20) father David Jones, miner

Thanks, Margaret!

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Ashton: Baptisms, Trefeglwys Church

Ashton: Baptisms, Trefeglwys Church

BAPTISMS

22/4/1799 Evan, son of John and Catherine Ashton

21/7/1799 John, son of Charles and Mary Ashton

Thanks, Margaret!

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Ashton: Burials, Trefeglwys Church

Ashton: Burials, Trefeglwys Church

BURIALS

27/6/1813 Mary Ashton, base child of Mary 8 months

16/7/1813 Margaret Ashton, wife of John, Longhill 56

19/3/1816 Ann Ashton, daughter of Edwin, Longhill 4

9/11/1816 Edward Ashton, Longhill 52

17/12/1816 Valentine Ashton, Gefsilvah 91

13/12/1817 Andrew, son of John Gefsilvah 7

27/2/1818 Mary, Gefsilvah 82

18/3/1818 Thomas, son of Charles, Longhill 6 months

27/6/1818 John Ashton, Longhill 19

3/12/1818 Elizabeth Ashton, wife of Valentine. Llandinham 72

3/2/1819 Valentine Ashton, Llandinham 89

25/10/1820 Charles Ashton, Longhill 60

19/4/1821 John, son of George, Llanidloes 6 months

14/7/1821 ? daughter of John Ashton, Glanyrafon, Llanwnog 18

21/7/1821 Edward Ashton, son of Valentine, Maesyblawd 15

5/9/1822 Ann Ashton, wife of Richard, Rhiwen 27

13/5/1823 John Ashton, Llandinham 44

10/3/1825 Margaret Ashton 58

12/12/1825 John Ashton, Longhill 69

15/8/1828 Andrew Ashton, son of John, Llanwnog 19

14/5/1829 Elizabeth Ashton, daughter of Charles, Cwmbellan infancy

19/6/1829 John Ashton, Langwrig 42

1/2/1832 John Ashton, Blackhall 88

23/5/1834 John Ashton, Almshouse 85

29/8/1834 ? wife of John, Llanwnog 38

21//9/1835 Charles Ashton, Cwmbellan infancy

1/12/1836 Ann Ashton, smith shop 70

11/8/1837 Edward Ashton, Hendy Llanidloes 29

3/2/1845 John Ashton, Tyn-y-Sarn 77

11/3/1845 Jane Ashton, Longhill 2

11/4/1845 Valentine Ashton, Maesyclawdol 72

22/5/1846 Richard Ashton, Leastfedow 2

18/1/1847 Valentine Ashton, Llawryglyn 68

2/3/1849 Sarah Ashton, Cwmbellan 4

6/3/1849 Elizabeth Ashton, Cerist 2

4/6/1849 Jane Ashton, Cerist 50

14/3/1853 Elizabeth Ashton, Gyparton 73

3/6/1854 Richard Ashton, Penrhos 80

11/7/1854 Edward Ashton, Gwerne 2 years, 11m

30/11/1854 Jane Ashton, Longhill 14 days

25/7/1855 Martha Ashton, Maesyblawd 80

31/12/1855 Richard Ashton, Glanrafon Ucher 1 year

12/3/1856 Valentine Ashton 70

21/3/1856 Sarah Ashton, Cwmbellan 6

9/6/1860 Ann Ashton, Maesyblawr 14 months

31/8/1860 Jane Ashton, Cwmbellan 3

29/7/1861 Jane Ashton, Bronhaul 67

28/2/1862 John Ashton, Maesyblawr 58

17/2/1863 Ann Ashton, Bronhaul 1yr 9 months

10/6/1864 Jane Ashton, Bronhaul 20 months

25/2/1867 Richard Ashton, Cwmcwtha 3

23/12/1868 Edward Ashton, Felyn Clyunol 47

9/8/1870 John Ashton, Nantygwarthy 11

9/9/1870 George Ashton, workhouse 76

Thanks, Margaret!

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Ashton: Churchyard Plots, Trefeglwys

Ashton: Churchyard Plots, Trefeglwys

CHURCHYARD PLOTS

Ann ? 475 Anne 15 (3), 200, 281 Edward 16, 65, 152 Edward 16, 65, 152 Elizabeth 16 Jane 152, 172,281 John C8, 15 (2), 200 Martha 7 Mary C8, 390 Richard 152, 200, 236, 346, 475 Sarah 152, 202 Thomas 172 Valentine C8, 7, 201, 202, 389, 390

Thanks, Margaret!

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Ashton: 1881 Census, born @ Trefeglwys

Ashton: 1881 Census, born @ Trefeglwys

FORENAME AGE RLSHP TO HEAD PLACE OCC HEAD BORN Ann 78 Head Llanidloes Grocer Self Trefeglwys Ann 63 Wife Trefeglwys Richard ? Ann 17 Daur ? Farm Daur John ? Ann 2 Daur ? Richard ? Daniel 15 or 18 Son Llanidloes Farm Serv Elizabeth ? Edward 78 Head ? Flannel weaver Self ? Edward 5 Son Trefeglwys Scholar Richard ? Edward 24 Head ? Lead miner Self ? Edward 1 Son ? Edward ?

Elizabeth 11 Lodger ? Annuitant Thos Williams ? Elizabeth 51 Head Llanidloes Farmer Self 16 Acres ? Elizabeth 38 Wife Trefeglwys John ? Elizabeth 7 Daur ? Scholar John ? Evan 2 Son ? John ? Hannah 19 Wife ? Edward ? Hannah 4 Daur ? Richard ? Jane 65 Wife ? Wife Richard ? John 70 Head ? Farmer Self ? John 66 Visit Llanidloes Carder & Chambers ? Spinner Thomas John 34 Head Trefeglwys Gen Shop Self ? Keeper John 26 S Son ? Lead miner Thos Jones ? John 13 Serv ? Ag Lab Stephen Evans ? John 5 Son ? Scholar John ? Martha 29 Wife ? Richard ? Martha 19 S Dau ? Thos Jones ? Martha J 6 Daur ? Richard ? Mary 83 Head ? Self Llanwnog Mary 58 Head Llanidloes Woollen Wvr Self Trefeglwys Mary 33 Wife Trefeglwys Shoemaker Thos ? Mary 50 Wife ? John ? Richard 70 Head Llandinam Farmer Self ? Richard 60 Head Llanidloes Lead ore miner Self ? Richard 55 Head Llanwnog Farmer 16 Acr Self ? Richard 48 Head Trefeglwys Lead miner Self ? Richard 32 Head ? Lead miner Self ? Richard 31 Head Llanwnog Sur Farmer 20 Self ? Richard 25 Serv Forden Farm Serv Annie Morris ? Richard 16 Son Trefeglwys Teacher Richard ? Richard 66 Head ? Farmer Self ? Sarah 49 Wife Llanwnog Fmr wife Richard ? Sarah 47 Wife Trefeglwys Miner wife Richard ? Sarah 9 G Dau ? Scholar Richard ? Sarah 1 Daur ? Richard ?

Thomas 87 Head Llanwnog Ag Lab Self ? Thomas 62 Head Trefeglwys Shoemaker Emp self ? Thomas 61 Son Llanwnog Railway Lab Thomas ? Thomas 55 Head Llanidloes Farrier Journ Self ? Thomas 19 Serv Trefeglwys Farm Lab Richard Davies Llanidloes Thomas 11 Son Llanidloes Scholar Elizabeth Trefeglwys Thomas 10 Son Trefeglwys Scholar Richard ? Valentine 21 Serv Llanidloes Farm Serv Stephen Breese Trefeglwys William 7 Son Trefeglwys Scholar Richard Trefeglwys

Thanks, Margaret!

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February 19, 2005

Gwen Pugh - 1901 census?

Gwen Pugh - 1901 census?

This may be my great grandmother: Gwen Pugh. Her age for 1901 is right, but her place of birth is wrong, therefore I am not sure if this is the right person. This is a couple of miles south of Eglwysfach, so it is possible:

22W Neuaddyrynys Farm 1

Thomas J Thomas Head M 38 Farmer Master Cards,Llangynfelyn B Margaret Thomas Wife M 31 Cards,Llangynfelyn B Gwen Pugh Serv S 19 Servant Domestic Cards,Llangynfelyn B Anne C Thomas Dau S 4 Cards,Llangynfelyn B Jenine F Thomas Dau S 2 Cards,Llangynfelyn B John R Thomas Serv S 18 Carter on Farm W Cards,Llangynfelyn B David Evans Serv S 14 Under Cattleman W Cards,Llangynfelyn B

Source and an excellent site on Llangynfelyn.

Thanks David!

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Pugh: 1891 census

Pugh: 1891 census

wpugh1891.jpg

Ty Cefn

William Pugh Head M 38 Railway Labourer Plate, Employed Montgomery Llaneifil Elizabeth Pugh Wife M 36 - Cardigian Sguborycoed Welsh Edward Pugh Son - 13 - Cardigian Sguborycoed Welsh Jane Pugh Daur - 10 - Cardigian Sguborycoed Welsh Gwen Pugh Daur - 8 - Cardigian Sguborycoed Welsh Thomas Pugh Son - 5 - Cardigian Sguborycoed Welsh William Pugh Son - 3 - Cardigian Sguborycoed Welsh

Adminstrative County: Cardigan Civil Parish: Sguborycoed Town or Village or Hamlet: Nantigllan? Rural Sanitary District: Machynlleth Parliamentary Division: Cardiganshire Ecclesiastical Parish or district: Eglwysfach

Thanks Ann!

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February 18, 2005

Pugh: 1881 census

Pugh: 1881 census

wpugh1881.jpg

William PUGH Head M Male 28 Llanerfel, Montgomery, Wales General Laborer Elizabeth PUGH Wife M Female 25 Ysguborycoed, Cardigan, Wales Laborers Wife John PUGH Son Male 6 Ysguborycoed, Cardigan, Wales Scholar Edward PUGH Son Male 3 Ysguborycoed, Cardigan, Wales Scholar Jane PUGH Daur Female 11 m Ysguborycoed, Cardigan, Wales

Source Information: Dwelling No 4 Cottage In Furnace Census Place Scybor y Coed, Cardigan, Wales Family History Library Film 1342317 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5477 / 7 Page Number 8

Thanks Gareth and Ann!

My great great grandfather:

William PUGH Male

Other Information: Birth Year <1853> Birthplace Llanerfel, Montgomery, Wales Age 28 Occupation General Laborer Marital Status M Head of Household William PUGH Relation Head Disability

My great great grandmother:

Elizabeth PUGH Female

Other Information: Birth Year <1856> Birthplace Ysguborycoed, Cardigan, Wales Age 25 Occupation Laborers Wife Marital Status M Head of Household William PUGH Relation Wife Disability

My great great great uncle:

John PUGH Male

Other Information: Birth Year <1875> Birthplace Ysguborycoed, Cardigan, Wales Age 6 Occupation Scholar Marital Status Head of Household William PUGH Relation Son Disability

My great great great uncle:

Edward PUGH Male

Other Information: Birth Year <1878> Birthplace Ysguborycoed, Cardigan, Wales Age 3 Occupation Scholar Marital Status Head of Household William PUGH Relation Son Disability

My great great great aunt:

Jane PUGH Female

Other Information: Birth Year <1880> Birthplace Ysguborycoed, Cardigan, Wales Age 11 m Occupation Marital Status Head of Household William PUGH Relation Daur Disability

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Walter Bryan & Gwen Pugh: Marriage Certificate

Walter Bryan & Gwen Pugh: Marriage Certificate

This morning I received the marriage certificate of Walter Thomas Bryan and Gwen Pugh, my great grandparents:

1903, Marriage solemnized at the Register Office in the District of Machynlleth in the Counties of Montgomery, Merioneth and Cardigan

No 29

When Married Twenty fourth October 1903

Name and surname Walter Thomas Bryan Gwen Pugh

Age 37 years 22 years

Condition Widower Spinster

Rank or Profession Gardener -

Residence at the time of Marriage Furnace Lodge, Sguborycoed Bwlcheinion, Sguborycoed

Father's Name and Surname Richard Bryan (deceased) William Pugh

Rank or Profession of Father Miller Railway Plate Layer

Married in the Register Office by Certificate before by me.

This Marriage was solonmized between us, Walter Bryan Gwen Pugh

in the Presence of us, Jane Pugh David Morgan

Lewis Williams, Registrar D. Evans, Superintendant Registrar

I was interested in this certificate, as I there's too many Gwen Pughs, and I couldn't locate her on the censuses. I particularly wanted the name of her father, to start searching backwards.

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February 17, 2005

Ashton dynasty revealed!

Ashton dynasty revealed!

I was sent the Ashton family tree, which goes back to my great great great great great great great great great grandparents! That's 9 generations, before you start counting. It pulls in several other families too, and the Ashtons appear to marry each other over different generations.

Saves me a bit of work, but I need to try and understand the handwriting, to work out the names.

Thanks Margaret!

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Owens: 1871 census?

Owens: 1871 census?

Going from the 1881 census, and still assuming incorrect spelling, this is the Owens family in 1871. They are living in the township of Brithdir Isa near Dolgellau.

18 Caetyddyn isaf

John Owen Head Married 35 M Shepherd Mallwyd MER Eliza Owen Wife Married 35 F Dolgellau MER Sarah Owen Daughter 8 F Scholar Dolgellau MER Elizabeth Owen Daughter 4 F Dolgellau MER

RG10/5691 Folio 29 Page 4 Brithdir Isa

Source

Thanks, Alwyn plus Doreen and John!

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February 15, 2005

John Ashton: Will, 1834

John Ashton: Will, 1834

I ordered the Will of John Ashton which was granted probate in 1832:

Will of John Ashton, Gentleman of Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire Date: 11 October 1834 Catalogue reference: PROB 11/1836 Dept: Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Series: Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece: Name of Register: Teignmouth Quire Numbers: 501 - 550

I've uploaded this document, as the writing is somewhat difficult and if anyone can read it better than me, I would appreciate some assistance with transcription. This is what I have so far:

UPDATE: Thanks to the kind assistance of Ruth, it is almost complete.

This is the last Will and Testament of John Ashton of Gyssylva Issa [Geseilfa on modern map] in the parish of Trefeglwys in the County of Montgomery, Gentleman, made the eleventh day of May in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two. I do hereby give and devise unto Edward Evans of Garth in the parish of Llanidloes in the said County of Montgomery, farmer, and Nicholas Bennett of Glanyrafon in the parish of Trefeglwys aforesaid, farmer, all those my two several messuages tenements and lands with the appurtenances commonly called or known by the names of Gyssylva Ucha and Gyssylva Issa situate in the said parish of Trefeglwys, and also all my two messuages or dwellinghouses with the gardens and appurtenances thereto belonging, situate in the said parish of Trefeglwys, now in the occupation of Edward Mills, Richard Pugh, John Jones, Andrew B?.ford? and Edmund - and all other if any the messuages, tenements, lands and other hereditaments of me, the said John Ashton, situate, lying and being in the parish of Trefeglwys aforesaid, to hold the same unto the said Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett, their Executors, Adminstrators and assigns for and during and unto the full end and term of five hundred years to be computed from the day of my decease and thenceforth next ensuing and fully to be complete and ended with impeachment of waste but upon the trust and subject to the proviso which I have hereinafter declared of and concerning the same and immediately from and after the expiration or sooner determination of the same term and in the mean time subject thereto and to the trust thereof I give and devise the same messuages tenements lands and hereditaments and every part and parcel thereof with the appurtenances unto my son Valentine Ashton and his assigns for and during the term of his natural life without impeachment of waste except timber for necessary repairs, and from and immediately after his decease I give and devise the same messuages, tenements, lands & hereditaments with the appurtenances unto my Grandson John Ashton, the eldest son of my said son Valentine Ashton, and his assigns for and during the term of his natural life with impeachment of waste (except timber for necessary repairs as aforesaid and from and immediately after his decease I give and devise the same unto and to the use of the heirs of the body of my said Grandson John Ashton lawfully to be begotten and for want of such issue then I give and devise unto and to the use of my own right heirs for ever it is my will and I do hereby declare that the messuages, tenements, lands and hereditaments limited to the said Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett, their executors, administrators and assigns, for that said term of five hundred years, are so limited to them upon trust, that is to say that they or the survivor of them, his Executors, Administrators or assigns, do and shall as soon as conveniently may be after my decease by mortgage for a term of years of all or any part of the before mentioned messuages, tenements, lands and hereditaments, levy and raise the sum of eight hundred pounds of lawful British money and also further and other sum or sums of money as may be necessary to reimburse my said trustees and the Survivor of them, his executors, administrators and assigns, all such costs, charges and expenses as they or he may be put into in or about the raising and procuring of the said sum of eight hundred pounds and upon trust that they do and shall stand and be possessed of and interested in the said sum of eight hundred pounds and the interest thereof upon the several trusts hereinafter mentioned and declared continuing the same and I do hereby direct that it shall be lawful for the said Edward Evans and Nicolas Bennett or the Survivor of them, his executors, administrators and assigns to sign and give acquittances and discharges to any mortgagee or other person or persons for his or their mortgage money and that such mortgagee or other person shall not afterwards be answerable or accountable for any loss misapplication or nonapplication or be bound to see to the application of the money for which such receipts shall be given where there is now due to me from several persons various sums of money which together with any such ready money amounts to nearly five hundred pounds I so hereby give and bequeath unto the said Edward Evans and Nicolas Bennett and the survivor of them his Executors and administrators the sum of two hundred and thirty four pounds of lawful British money to be paid to them as soon as conveniently may be after my decease and which said sum of two hundred and thirty four pounds and every part thereof I will and direct shall be held by them upon the several trusts hereinafter mentioned and declared concerning the same. Now it is my will and I do hereby declare that the said Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett and the survivor of them, his executors and administrators do and shall stand and be possessed of and interested in the before mentioned sum of eight hundred pounds and the said sum of two hundred and thirty four pounds, making together the sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds and all interest that may become due for the same upon the several trusts following that is to say in trust to pay unto my son two daughters Elizabeth the wife of Evan Chapman and Mary the wife of Edward Bennett the sum of one pound each (being part of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) and as to the sum of two hundred pounds (further part of the said sum of our thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of two hundred pounds In trust for my son Edward Ashton his executors, administrators and assigns and as to the sum of two hundred and fifty pounds (further part of the said sum of our thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of two hundred and fifty pounds, In trust for my son John Ashton his executors, administrators and assigns as to the sum of seventy pounds (further part of the said sum of our thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of seventy pounds In trust for my son Richard Ashton his executors administrators and assigns and as to the sum of two hundred and twenty pounds (further part of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of two hundred and twenty pounds In trust for my son George Ashton his executors, administrators and assigns and as to the sum of two hundred and forty pounds (further part of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of two hundred and forty pounds In trust for my son Evan Ashton his executors, administrators and assigns and as to the sum of one pound (further part of the said sum of the one thousand and thirty four pounds) In trust for my son Thomas Ashton and as for the sum of one pound (further part of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) In trust for my daughter Ann the wife of Edward Edwards her executors, administrators and assigns and as to the sum of twenty pounds (further part of the said sum of our one thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of twenty pounds In trust for my grand daughter Mary the wife of Edward Lloyd her executors administrators and assign for her and their own absolute benefit and free from the debts and control of her present and any future husband and as to the sum of thirty pounds (residue of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of thirty pounds In trust for Andrew Ashton (an illegitimate child of my said son Edward Ashton) his executors admors [ abbreviation for administrators] and assigns and the interest of the said sum of thirty pounds becoming due during the minority of the said Andrew Ashton I direct shall be applied by my said trustee towards his maintenance and Education but in case of the death of him the said Andrew Ashton before he shall attain the age of twenty one years then I direct that the same sum of thirty pounds shall sink into and form part of my residuary personal estate provided always and I do direct and declare that from and immediately after the trusts hereinbefore declared of and continuing the said term of five hundred years shall in all respects be fully performed or otherwise satisfied or discharged and the said Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett and the survivor of them or his executors administrators and assigns respectively shall be fully satisfied and reimbursed all costs charges and expenses to be occasioned by or relating to the trusts hereby in them reposed the said term shall as to such of the messuages tenements and other premises comprised therein as shall not have been mortgaged for the purposes aforesaid absolutely choose?? and determine and as to such of the said premises as shall have been so mortgaged shall subject to such mortgage wait upon and attend the revision and inheritance of the premises so mortgaged. I give and bequeath my hack mare and all my wearing apparel and also my ?Burtan? unto my said son John Ashton and I do hereby direct and declare it to be my will that my two sons John Ashton and Evan Ashton shall have and be entitled for their own use to the occupation and rents profits and produce of all my messuages or tenements lands and hereditaments hereinbefore devised from the day of my decease until the twenty fifth day of March [ie Lady Day when rents fell due] next after that event without being liable to the payment of any rent or satisfaction for the same and that they shall also have the use of all my stock of horses, cattle, sheep and other my live stock (except pigs) and the profits arising therefrom and the use all of my wagons, carts and other implements of husbandry and also of my household goods and furniture, bedding, plate, linen, china, brewing and dairy utensils and implements of household for their own exclusive benefit until the said twenty fifth day of March next after my decease at which time or sooner of my said boys [?] John Ashton and Evan Ashton shall think ?proper I do hereby order and direct that all my said live and dead farming stock and household furniture, bedding, plate, linen, china, brewing and dairy utensils with all my stock of corn, grain and hay except such corn, grain and hay as shall be growing at my decease and all my pigs which I give bequeath to my executors hereinafter named shall be sold by one or more public auction or auctions for the best price that can be gotten for the same and I direct that my said sons John Ashton and Evan Ashton shall stand possessed of the money arising from the said sale or sales. In trust as soon as conveniently may be after such sale or sales and after payment of my past debts and funeral and testamentary expenses to pay and equally divide the same unto and amongst themselves and my seven other younger children namely Elizabeth Ashton the wife of Evan Chapman, Edward Ashton, Mary the wife of Edward Bennett, Richard Ashton, George Ashton, Thomas Ashton and Ann the wife of Edward Edwards, share and share alike and as to all the rest and residue of my personal estate and effects of what nature or kind soever not hereinbefore by me given and disposed of I give and bequeath the same unto my said two sons John Ashton and Evan Ashton and my said seven younger children hereinbefore named to be equally divided between them share and share alike to and for their own use and I hereby nominate and appoint my said [possibly two abbreviations here for above mentioned ? but may just be crossings out] sons John Ashton and Evan Ashton Executors of this my last will and revoke all other wills by me heretofore made. In witness whereof I the said Testator John Ashton have to the preceding four sheets of this my last will and testament set my hand and to this fifth and last sheet my hand and seal the day and year first above written. John Ashton Signed sealed published and declared by the said Testator as and for his last will and testament in the presence of us who at his request in his presence and in the presence of each other have subscribed our names as witnesses thereto. T Edm.[ie Edmund] Marsh James Morris Jn [ie John] Owen

Proved at London 11 Oct 1834 before the Judge by the oath of John Ashton and Evan Ashton the sons the Executors to whom admon [ie administration] was granted having been first sworn by Canon[?] duly to administer

Thanks to Ruth from Powys-L who spent time transcribing this!

If anyone sees any discrepancies, please feel free to let me know.

A few people have asked with translation of what this will means. Without a single full stop, nevermind a complete lack of paragraphs, one can hardly blame the!. I've given it a go below, and if you think I've got anything wrong or there is anything else that needs clarifying please feel free to use the comments feature:

This is the last Will and Testament of John Ashton of Gyssylva Issa [Geseilfa on modern map] in the parish of Trefeglwys in the County of Montgomery, Gentleman, made the eleventh day of May in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two.

Will of John Ashton, made on 11 May 1832. His status was a Gentleman.

I do hereby give and devise unto Edward Evans of Garth in the parish of Llanidloes in the said County of Montgomery, farmer, and Nicholas Bennett of Glanyrafon in the parish of Trefeglwys aforesaid, farmer, all those my two several messuages tenements and lands with the appurtenances commonly called or known by the names of Gyssylva Ucha and Gyssylva Issa situate in the said parish of Trefeglwys,

Gave legal ownership of his houses / land ? Gyssylva Ucha and Issa ? to Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett, and as the document later states, this is in the form of a Trust.

This means that Edward and Nicholas are the trustees.

A trust is a specific legal relationship. Legal ownership will rest with the named trustees, and the benefit / enjoyment, can be vested in someone else. Trusts often have terms and conditions attached to them, and this is usually specified by the person creating / requesting the trust to be set up.

and also all my two messuages or dwellinghouses with the gardens and appurtenances thereto belonging, situate in the said parish of Trefeglwys, now in the occupation of Edward Mills, Richard Pugh, John Jones, Andrew B?.ford? and Edmund

Additional houses that were occupied by the above persons.

- and all other if any the messuages, tenements, lands and other hereditaments

These are legal generic terms for rights and obligations attached to land. In law, land and property has a legal relationship of its own, and certain relationships will ?run with land?.

of me, the said John Ashton, situate, lying and being in the parish of Trefeglwys aforesaid, to hold the same unto the said Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett, their Executors, Adminstrators and assigns

Should Edward and Nicholas die, the trusteeship will pass on in accordance with the terms and conditions of their wills.

for and during and unto the full end and term of five hundred years to be computed from the day of my decease and thenceforth next ensuing and fully to be complete and ended with impeachment of waste but upon the trust

Basically states that legal ownership of land to Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett is subject to the relationship being one of a trust.

and subject to the proviso which I have hereinafter declared of and concerning the same

The trust is subject to conditions that are going to be detailed later in this document.

and immediately from and after the expiration or sooner determination of the same term and in the mean time subject thereto and to the trust thereof I give and devise the same messuages tenements lands and hereditaments and every part and parcel thereof with the appurtenances unto my son Valentine Ashton and his assigns for and during the term of his natural life

He has set up what lawyers call a ?lifetime trust? for his son Valentine. He has given his property to Valentine for his lifetime only.

By given, I really mean he will get the benefit of the land etc, during his lifetime only and does not own the land outright. In this position, he is not entitled to make his own will and do what he wants with the land, as he is not the legal owner.

without impeachment of waste except timber for necessary repairs, and from and immediately after his decease I give and devise the same messuages, tenements, lands & hereditaments with the appurtenances unto my Grandson John Ashton, the eldest son of my said son Valentine Ashton, and his assigns for and during the term of his natural life

On the death of Valentine, his lifetime trust will have expired. My land will then pass to John Ashton and I have created another lifetime trust.

Again, this lifetime trust, John does not own the land outright (legal ownership of the land lies with the trustees), and is not free to do what he likes with it. with impeachment of waste (except timber for necessary repairs as aforesaid and from and immediately after his decease

After my son John Ashton has died, the lifetime trust has expired and ?. I give and devise the same unto and to the use of the heirs of the body of my said Grandson John Ashton

Devise the same, meaning another trust, for the heirs of John Ashton!

lawfully to be begotten and for want of such issue then I give and devise unto and to the use of my own right heirs for ever it is my will

He wants to give his property to his heirs, and will do this because it is his will.

and I do hereby declare that the messuages, tenements, lands and hereditaments limited to the said Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett, their executors, administrators and assigns, for that said term of five hundred years, are so limited to them upon trust,

Legal ownership of estate for Edward and Nicholas (and their heirs) is limited to a term of 500 years. That is, the trust will last no longer than this term, unless it is dissolved before this.

The benefit arising from the legal ownership, for Edward and Nicholas, is restricted to the fact they are trustees, and they are bound by the terms of a trust.

that is to say that they or the survivor of them, his Executors, Administrators or assigns,

Above instructions is extended to the terms of Edward and Nicholas? wills, should either of them die, and trusteeship will pass.

do and shall as soon as conveniently may be after my decease by mortgage for a term of years of all or any part of the before mentioned messuages, tenements, lands and hereditaments,

Take out a mortgage to cover funds

levy and raise the sum of eight hundred pounds of lawful British money In the first instance ?800

Giving power to raise the sum of ?800 upon my death

and also further and other sum or sums of money as may be necessary to reimburse my said trustees and the Survivor of them, his executors, administrators and assigns, all such costs, charges and expenses as they or he may be put into in or about the raising and procuring of the said sum of eight hundred pounds

And any additional amount, to cover costs and expenses i.e. reimbursement. This right extends to future trustees should Edward and Nicholas die. The reimbursements have to relate to the raising of ?800.

and upon trust that they do and shall stand and be possessed of and interested in the said sum of eight hundred pounds and the interest thereof upon the several trusts hereinafter mentioned and declared continuing the same

To hold the money on trust, as instructed

and I do hereby direct that it shall be lawful for the said Edward Evans and Nicolas Bennett or the Survivor of them, his executors, administrators and assigns to sign and give acquittances and discharges to any mortgagee or other person or persons for his or their mortgage money and that such mortgagee or other person shall not afterwards be answerable or accountable for any loss misapplication or nonapplication

John Ashton gave mortgages to people i.e. mortgagor. This will gives the trustees scope for rescinding or discharging mortgages if it is appropriate, and this discharge is absolute.

or be bound to see to the application of the money for which such receipts shall be given where there is now due to me from several persons various sums of money which together with any such ready money amounts to nearly five hundred pounds

John Ashton was owed money, and this amounted to nearly five hundred pounds.

I so hereby give and bequeath unto the said Edward Evans and Nicolas Bennett and the survivor of them his Executors and administrators the sum of two hundred and thirty four pounds of lawful British money to be paid to them as soon as conveniently may be after my decease

?230 to be paid to Edward and Nicholas, asap after my death.

and which said sum of two hundred and thirty four pounds and every part thereof I will and direct shall be held by them upon the several trusts hereinafter mentioned and declared concerning the same.

and shall be held in several trusts, i.e. benefit going somewhere else

Now it is my will and I do hereby declare that the said Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett and the survivor of them, his executors and administrators do and shall stand and be possessed of and interested in the before mentioned sum of eight hundred pounds and the said sum of two hundred and thirty four pounds, making together the sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds and all interest that may become due for the same upon the several trusts following that is to say

Two sums: ?800 + ?234 = ?1034, to be held in trust by Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett. This money is managed for purposes specified below.

in trust to pay unto my son two daughters Elizabeth the wife of Evan Chapman and Mary the wife of Edward Bennett the sum of one pound each (being part of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) and as to the sum of two hundred pounds (further part of the said sum of our thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of two hundred pounds

To pay his daughters Elizabeth and Mary, ?1 each.

In trust for my son Edward Ashton his executors, administrators and assigns and as to the sum of two hundred and fifty pounds (further part of the said sum of our thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of two hundred and fifty pounds,

In trust for my son John Ashton his executors, administrators and assigns as to the sum of seventy pounds (further part of the said sum of our thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of seventy pounds

?70 in trust for his son John Ashton, and should he die this will pass in accordance with the terms of his will

In trust for my son Richard Ashton his executors administrators and assigns and as to the sum of two hundred and twenty pounds (further part of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of two hundred and twenty pounds

?220 in trust for his son Richard Ashton, and should he die the benefit arising from the trust will pass in accordance with Richard's will.

In trust for my son George Ashton his executors, administrators and assigns and as to the sum of two hundred and forty pounds (further part of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of two hundred and forty pounds

?240 in trust for his son George Ashton, and should he die the benefit arising from the trust will pass in accordance with George's will.

In trust for my son Evan Ashton his executors, administrators and assigns and as to the sum of one pound (further part of the said sum of the one thousand and thirty four pounds)

?1 in trust for my son Evan Ashton, and should he die the benefit arising from the trust will pass in accordance with Evan's will.

In trust for my son Thomas Ashton and as for the sum of one pound (further part of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds)

?1 in trust for Thomas Ashton, but this right does not pass onto Thomas' heirs. No interest is accured on this amount.

In trust for my daughter Ann the wife of Edward Edwards her executors, administrators and assigns and as to the sum of twenty pounds (further part of the said sum of our one thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of twenty pounds

?20 plus interest in trust for my daughter Ann, and should he die the benefit arising from the trust will pass in accordance with Ann's will.

In trust for my grand daughter Mary the wife of Edward Lloyd her executors administrators and assign for her and their own absolute benefit and free from the debts and control of her present and any future husband and as to the sum of thirty pounds (residue of the said sum of one thousand and thirty four pounds) and the interest of the said sum of thirty pounds

?30 in trust for his grand daughter Mary, and the money is for her absolute benefit (her husband or any future husband cannot have any control over the money, or be used to pay for debts arising from the marriage).

In trust for Andrew Ashton (an illegitimate child of my said son Edward Ashton) his executors admors [abbreviation for administrators] and assigns and the interest of the said sum of thirty pounds

?30 for Andrew (illegitimate child of Edward), and should he die the benefit arising from the trust will pass in accordance with Andrew's will.

becoming due during the minority of the said Andrew Ashton I direct shall be applied by my said trustee towards his maintenance and Education

When he is a minor, i.e. under the age of 21, monies from this total sum shall be used towards his maintenance and Education

but in case of the death of him the said Andrew Ashton before he shall attain the age of twenty one years then I direct that the same sum of thirty pounds shall sink into and form part of my residuary personal estate provided always

Should Andrew die before the age of 21 years, then the funds go back into the residue estate. Residue estate - is monies and other property left over that has not been specifically allocated.

and I do direct and declare that from and immediately after the trusts hereinbefore declared of and continuing the said term of five hundred years shall in all respects be fully performed or otherwise satisfied or discharged

The trusts will run for a term of 500 years, unless discharged earlier. Conditions set above will be performed.

and the said Edward Evans and Nicholas Bennett and the survivor of them or his executors administrators and assigns respectively shall be fully satisfied and reimbursed all costs charges and expenses to be occasioned by or relating to the trusts hereby in them reposed

The trustees will be reimbursed of costs relating to the administration of the trusts

the said term shall as to such of the messuages tenements and other premises comprised therein as shall not have been mortgaged for the purposes aforesaid absolutely choose?? and determine and as to such of the said premises as shall have been so mortgaged shall subject to such mortgage wait upon and attend the revision and inheritance of the premises so mortgaged.

A mortgage shall not be taken out absolutely, for reasons previously stated. The trustees decide when land is mortgaged, and can be revised to meet obligations under the will. I need to clarify this section.

I give and bequeath my hack mare and all my wearing apparel and also my ?Burtan? unto my said son John Ashton

Hack mare and clothes to my son John

and I do hereby direct and declare it to be my will that my two sons John Ashton and Evan Ashton shall have and be entitled for their own use to the occupation and rents profits and produce of all my messuages or tenements lands and hereditaments hereinbefore devised from the day of my decease until the twenty fifth day of March [ie Lady Day when rents fell due] next

My sons John and Evan shall be allowed to live in any lands they decide, plus receive rents and any other benefits arising out of lands from the date of my death, up until the 25 March

after that event without being liable to the payment of any rent or satisfaction for the same

They will not be liable for the payment of any rent, to the trustees

and that they shall also have the use of all my stock of horses, cattle, sheep and other my live stock (except pigs) and the profits arising therefrom

They shall have use of the animals listed above, with the exception of the pigs, and the profit arising from this

and the use all of my wagons, carts and other implements of husbandry and also of my household goods and furniture, bedding, plate, linen, china, brewing and dairy utensils and implements of household for their own exclusive benefit until the said twenty fifth day of March next after my decease at which time or sooner of my said boys [?] John Ashton and Evan Ashton shall think ?proper

Exclusive use of items listed above, until the 25 March following his death, or sooner if John and Evan think this is proper

I do hereby order and direct that all my said live and dead farming stock and household furniture, bedding, plate, linen, china, brewing and dairy utensils with all my stock of corn, grain and hay except such corn, grain and hay as shall be growing at my decease and all my pigs which I give bequeath to my executors hereinafter named shall be sold by one or more public auction or auctions for the best price that can be gotten for the same

All my live and dead farming stock, items, and agricultural stock (apart from what is growing) - all listed above - shall be put up for auction(s), to get the best price

and I direct that my said sons John Ashton and Evan Ashton shall stand possessed of the money arising from the said sale or sales.

John and Evan, my sons, shall 'possess' the money arising from the auction(s). Possession in modern terms, means outright legal ownership/benefit from, but it immediately talks about a trust for the proceeds, so this definition doesn't fit.

In trust as soon as conveniently may be after such sale or sales and after payment of my past debts and funeral and testamentary expenses

Money is held in trust, and after the payment of past debts, funeral and other expenses

to pay and equally divide the same unto and amongst themselves and my seven other younger children namely Elizabeth Ashton the wife of Evan Chapman, Edward Ashton, Mary the wife of Edward Bennett, Richard Ashton, George Ashton, Thomas Ashton and Ann the wife of Edward Edwards, share and share alike

To divide the monies amongst my children: John, Evan, Elizabeth, Edward, Mary, Richard, George, Thomas, Ann

and as to all the rest and residue of my personal estate and effects of what nature or kind soever not hereinbefore by me given and disposed of I give and bequeath the same unto my said two sons John Ashton and Evan Ashton and my said seven younger children hereinbefore named to be equally divided between them share and share alike to and for their own use

The residue of my estate i.e. anything left over, be divided amongst all my 9 children

and I hereby nominate and appoint my said [possibly two abbreviations here for above mentioned ? but may just be crossings out] sons John Ashton and Evan Ashton Executors of this my last will

The executors of my estate are my sons John and Evan

and revoke all other wills by me heretofore made.

Any other wills I have made previously, are now void

In witness whereof I the said Testator John Ashton have to the preceding four sheets of this my last will and testament set my hand and to this fifth and last sheet my hand and seal the day and year first above written.

John Ashton

Will is 5 pages long, and its this is my signature and seal

Signed sealed published and declared by the said Testator as and for his last will and testament in the presence of us who at his request in his presence and in the presence of each other have subscribed our names as witnesses thereto.

T Edm.[ie Edmund] Marsh James Morris Jn [ie John] Owen

People who witnessed the will, and these signatures would need to have been signed in the presence of each other.

Proved at London 11 Oct 1834 before the Judge by the oath of John Ashton and Evan Ashton the sons the Executors to whom admon [ie administration] was granted having been first sworn by Canon[?] duly to administer

Details of where the will was proven

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February 09, 2005

John & Elizabeth Ashton: Picture

John & Elizabeth Ashton: Picture

johnelizashton.jpgThis is a picture of my great grandparents, John and Elizabeth Ashton.

According to my mum, this picture hung in the wall at Clatter Terrace. I am not sure where the original is now, but I think this is a scanned image of a photocopy. Are there are more pictures to be had of the family?

I can now see where my mum's eyebrows have come from ...

Thanks, Helen!

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Owens: 1881 census?

Owens: 1881 census?

John OWEN Head M Male 46 Mallwyd, Merioneth, Wales Farmers Shepherd Elizabeth OWEN Wife M Female 45 Dolgelley, Merioneth, Wales Farmers Wife Elizabeth OWEN Daur U Female 14 Dolgelley, Merioneth, Wales Farmers Daur

Source Information: Dwelling Caertyddyn Bach Farm House Census Place Dolgelley, Merioneth, Wales Family History Library Film 1342332 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5546 / 109 Page Number 8

Although the name is spelt wrong, I am wondering if this my Elizabeth Owens on the 1881 census. Censuses often spell names wrong (or indeed was transcribed wrongly).

This census places her born as 1866 or 1867 (depending if she had her birthday for the census year). Her marriage certificate has her as 21, which would mean she was born in 1866 (or 1865, if not already had birthday).

Her dad in this census record is also John, he's a farmer's shepherd (says labourer on census) and she is born at Dolgelley for both.

I can't find any other Elizabeth Owen(s) with a father John or a head of household as deceased for that time frame.

I am assuming that she was still living with her parents at that time, given her age, and between 1881 and 1887 she moved out to look for work? It is possible that the family moved if John had died?

My great great grandfather?:

John OWEN Male

Other Information: Birth Year <1835> Birthplace Mallwyd, Merioneth, Wales Age 46 Occupation Farmers Shepherd Marital Status M Head of Household John OWEN Relation Head Disability

My great great grandmother?:

Elizabeth OWEN Female

Other Information: Birth Year <1836> Birthplace Dolgelley, Merioneth, Wales Age 45 Occupation Farmers Wife Marital Status M Head of Household John OWEN Relation Wife Disability

My great grandmother?:

Elizabeth OWEN Female

Other Information: Birth Year <1867> Birthplace Dolgelley, Merioneth, Wales Age 14 Occupation Farmers Daur Marital Status U Head of Household John OWEN Relation Daur Disability

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John Ashton & Elizabeth Owens: marriage

John Ashton & Elizabeth Owens: marriage

johnelizmarr.jpg

The following is details on the marriage certificate of my great grandparents:

No 40

Marriage solemnized at the the Register Office in the district of Machynlleth in the County of Montgomery

When married Twenty Seventh May 1887

Name and surname John Ashton Elizabeth Owens

Age 24 years 21 years

Condition Bachelor Spinster

Rank or profession General Labourer -

Residence at the time of marriage Ty'nyddol, Llanbrynmair Windsor House, Pentrerhedyn Street, Machynlleth

Father's name and surname Thomas Ashton John Owens (deceased)

Rank or profession of father General Labourer Farm Labourer

Married in the Register Office

This marriage was solemnized between us, John Ashton Elizabeth Owens

in the presence of us, Robert Corfield Lewis Hamer

Lewis Williams, Registrar David Evans, Deputy Superintendent Registrar

Thanks, Helen!

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February 08, 2005

Ashton: another son & descendants of Valentine?

Ashton: another son & descendants of Valentine?

I googled Geseilfa, which led me to the website of someone in Los Angeles - Alan A Curtis - who appears to be descended from the Ashtons there.

Now I'm left wondering if he is a distant cousin (removed or not).

The oldest ancestor he has is:

288. Edward ASHTON was born in 1756. He was christened on 7 Aug 1756 in Geseilfa, Trefeglwys, Montg, Wales. He married Jane BENNETT on 27 Apr 1782 in Trefeglwys, Monts, Wales.

I don't have an Edward ASHTON of this age in my tree, but as an Ashton, living at Geseilfa (which is a farm), it seems highly likely that there is a link somewhere.

What this link is, is down to speculation, as Alan's site does not identify his father. He seems to be about the right age to be another son of Valentine ASHTON and a brother of John ASHTON b. 1748 - d. 1834.

He also has an Elizabeth SAVAGE in his tree, but the wrong generation, and it threw me at first. Maybe SAVAGE married into the family more than once?

I have taken the lineage below from Alan's site, and all research has to be credited to him:

A son of Valentine Ashton?:

288. Edward ASHTON was born in 1756. He was christened on 7 Aug 1756 in Geseilfa, Trefeglwys, Montg, Wales. He married Jane BENNETT on 27 Apr 1782 in Trefeglwys, Monts, Wales.

289. Jane BENNETT was born in 1759. She was christened on 6 Dec 1759 in Glanyrafon, Trefeglwys, Monts, Wales. She died on 13 Nov 1843 in Oerffrwd, Llanwnog, Monts, Wales. She was buried on 18 Nov 1843 in Llanwnog, Montg, Wales.

Son of Edward ASHTON and Jane BENNETT:

144. Richard ASHTON was born in 1794 in Llanwnog, Montgomery, Wales. He died on 28 May 1824 in Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales. He was buried on 28 May 1824 in Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales. He married Elizabeth SAVAGE on 28 Aug 1818 in Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales.

145. Elizabeth SAVAGE was born in 1794. She was christened on 1 May 1794/1795 in Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales. She died on 30 Jan 1843 in Caersws, Montg, Wales. She was buried on 30 Jan 1843 in Caersws, Llanwog, Montgomery, Wales.

Son of Richard ASHTON and Elizabeth SAVAGE:

72. Edward ASHTON was born on 22 Aug 1821 in Caersws, Montg, Wales. He was christened on 9 Sep 1821 in Llanwnog, Montgomery, Wales. He died on 7 Feb 1904 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut. He was buried on 10 Feb 1904 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. He married Jane TREHARNE on 6 Feb 1854 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut.

73. Jane TREHARNE was born on 2 Apr 1828 in Llangydeirne, Carmarthenshire, Wales. She died on 29 Aug 1897 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. She was buried on 1 Sep 1897 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah.

Son of Edward Treharne ASHTON and Jane TREHARNE:

36. Edward Treharne ASHTON was born on 14 Jul 1855 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut. He died on 19 Feb 1923 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut. He was buried on 22 Feb 1923 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. He married Effie Walker MORRIS on 4 Apr 1878 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut.

37. Effie Walker MORRIS was born on 10 Jan 1859 in Cedar Fort, Iron, Ut. She died on 9 Apr 1929 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut. She was buried on 12 Apr 1929 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut.

Son of Edward Treharne ASHTON and Effie Walker MORRIS:

18. Marvin Owen ASHTON was born on 8 Apr 1883 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut. He died on 7 Oct 1946 in :. He was buried on 10 Oct 1946 in Sunset Lawn Mem. Park, Salt Lake, Ut. He married Rachel (Rae) Grace JEREMY on 3 Jan 1906 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut.

19. Rachel (Rae) Grace JEREMY was born on 1 Oct 1882 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut. She died on 4 Dec 1963 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut. She was buried on 9 Dec 1963 in Sunset Lawn Mem. Park, Salt Lake, Ut.

Daughter of Marvin Owen ASHTON and Rachel (Rae) Grace JEREMY:

8. Louis Raine CURTIS was born on 9 Nov 1906 in Salt Lake City, S-Lk, Ut. He died on 6 May 1988 in Slc, S-Lk, Utah. He was buried on 9 May 1988 in Slc, S-Lk, Utah. He married Afton Grace ASHTON on 31 Aug 1934 in Palmyra, New York.

9. Afton Grace ASHTON was born on 30 Jul 1910 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Ut. She died on 18 Dec 1994 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. She was buried on 21 Dec 1994 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah.

Son of Louis Raine CURTIS and Afton Grace ASHTON:

4. Louis David CURTIS >A4S4 was born on 2 Apr 1941 in Salt Lake City,Salt Lake,UT. He was baptized on 30 Apr 1949. He was endowed on 20 Sep 1960. He married Juliet Neslen Thody >A4D4 on 19 Dec 1964 in Los Angeles,Los Angeles,CA. They were sealed on 19 Dec 1964 in the Los Angeles California temple. [Parents]

5. Juliet Neslen THODY >A4D4 was born on 5 May 1943 in Washington,D.C.. She was born in the covenant. She was baptized on 30 Jun 1951. She was endowed on 18 Dec 1964. [Parents]

Son of Louis David CURTIS and Julie Neslen THODY:

2. Alan Ashton CURTIS was born on 24 Feb 1976 in Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona, USA. He married Mary Christine CLARKE on 11 Nov 1998 in Salt Lake City. They were sealed in the Salt Lake temple.

3. Mary Christine CLARKE was born on 28 Dec 1977 in Creive Coir, St Louis, MO.

Son of Alan Ashton CURTIS and Mary Christine CLARKE:

1. Alexander Robertson CURTIS.

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Ashton Notes by Hugh

Ashton Notes by Hugh

Wow, more information! Helen sent me notes written by her brother Hugh. Mary Elizabeth Ashton, is a sister for my grandmother Maglona.

I now move to my other grandmother Mary Elizabeth Ashton, before she married John Bebb Davies.

Her mother and father were Elizabeth Owens and John Ashton, who were married at the Register Office, Machynlleth on the 27 May 1887. She gives her home at the time as Windsor House, Pentrerhedyn Street, Machynlleth. In census returns as being born in Dolgelley.

John Ashton is a general labourer, and his residence is Tynddol, Llanbrynmair although his family were living at the Terrace in Clatter, where we find them in the 1891 census with John and Elizabeth living next door.

In the 1871 census we find Thomas and Mary Ashton, together with their son John aged 9 at Clatter.

In 1861 they were at Rhiwrefel - he was a railway labourer. Living with them was a Richard Newel, a stepson to Thomas Ashton. In the Llanwnog church register I found the marriage of Thomas Ashton and Mary Newell on the 14 May 1859. He was aged 37, a bachleor of Brynderwen whose father was a manufacturer.

Mary Newell was a widow, aged 38 of Clatter, whose father was John Hughes. Mary was baptised at Llanwnog on 14 January 1821, the daughter of John and Elizabeth Hughes of Llwydcoed.

On the 18 May 1853, the register records the burial of Thomas Newell of Fawnog Fach aged 28. This was surely Mary's first husband.

Thanks Helen & Hugh!

This of course opens a whole new dimension. My understanding of Mary's maiden name (from Free BMD) was wrong, and thankfully the marriage certificate was not ordered. This wedding does not show up on their database at all, which exposes that the database has yet to contain the full BMD index.

Hugh's information provides me with a new lead, for Elizabeth Owens, and the possibility of tracking down her family. I now have a potential location for her, although to look on the 1881 census, although I would like her age when she was married.

The above information does not take into account the 1881 census, where Thomas' father, also called Thomas, was living in the same house as Thomas, Mary and John. This opens up a new generation, and here he was an Agricultural Labourer. Is this something he might have done as he became older? At the time of his son's marriage, he was a manufacturer.

The 1881 census gives me his age, plus the fact that he was born at Trefeglwys. This I tied in with a gravestone at Trefeglwys, which I suspect is his and his wife Jane. However, I need to check this.

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Ashton: Geseilfa

Ashton: Geseilfa

geseilfa.gifThis is the place where the Ashton dynasty at Trefeglwys, actually its more Llawr-yr-glyn, started from!

I must have been past this place hundreds of times, but I have no recollection of what the place looks like. I will go and have a look later. I'm wondering if the place has any Ashton connection today?

From a wider family point of view, it is a stone's throw from the Williams lineage. The Williamses come from Pleasant View, which is in the area marked 'Waen' on the map. I am very familiar with the names of the farms in that area, as my grandfather used to talk about them a lot. I just wish I could remember the stories attached to them ....

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February 07, 2005

Thomas Ashton & Jane Owen: children

Thomas Ashton & Jane Owen: children

These are the children of Thomas Ashton and Jane Owen, my great great great grandparents. Their eldest child, Thomas Ashton, is my great great grandfather.

Child number 1:

Thomas Ashton Male Christening: 11 FEB 1819 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 2:

Roger Ashton Male Birth: Christening: 29 APR 1821 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 3:

Jane Ashton Female

Christening: 11 MAY 1823 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 4:

Anna Ashton Female

Christening: 10 APR 1825 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 5:

John Ashton Male

Christening: 22 DEC 1827 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 6:

David Ashton Male Christening: 05 OCT 1829 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 7:

Richard Ashton

No christening date known, however is shown on the 1841 census as:

Richard Ashton 7 Y, making him born c1834.

Child number 8:

William Ashton Male

Christening: 24 FEB 1836 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Source: IGI, via FamilySearch

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John Ashton & Elizabeth Savage: children

John Ashton & Elizabeth Savage: children

These are the children of John Ashton and Elizabeth Savage (my great great great great grandparents). Child number 9, Thomas Ashton is my great great great grandfather.

Child number 1:

Elizabeth Ashton Female Christening: 28 JUL 1782 Geseilfa, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 2:

Valentine Ashton Male

Christening: 10 APR 1784 Carno, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Death: 17 MAY 1860

Child number 3:

Edward Ashton Male Christening: 16 APR 1786 Carno, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 4:

John Ashton Male Christening: 25 JAN 1788 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Death: 1869

Child number 5:

Mary Ashton Female

Christening: 04 JUN 1790 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 6:

Richard Ashton Male Christening: 04 MAR 1792 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Death: 1874

Child number 7:

George Ashton Male Christening: 24 NOV 1793 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Death: 09 SEP 1870

Child number 8:

Evan Ashton Male

Birth: 1795 Of Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Death: 1858

Child number 9 and my great great great grandfather:

Thomas Ashton Male

Christening: 07 MAY 1797 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 10:

Anne Ashton Female

Christening: 01 JUN 1800 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 11:

Charles Ashton Male

Christening: 19 FEB 1804 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 12:

Martha Ashton Female

Christening: 19 MAR 1808 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Child number 13:

Andrew Ashton Male

Birth: 1809 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Source: IGI, via FamilySearch

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John Ashton & Elizabeth Savage: BMD

John Ashton & Elizabeth Savage: BMD

The following is from the IGI, and it relates to my great great great great grandparents.

Husband

John Ashton

Birth: 27 MAY 1748 Of Geseilfa, Tref, Montgomery, Wales Marriage: 16 DEC 1781 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Death: 23 MAY 1834 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Father: Valentine Ashton Mother: Mary Evans

This obviously highlights the names of my great great great great great grandparents, Valentine and Mary. I cannot find any other reference for them under IGI.

My great great great great grandmother:

Wife

Elizabeth Savage Birth: 06 SEP 1762 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Marriage: 16 DEC 1781 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Burial: 30 DEC 1812 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Father: Edward Savage Mother: Elizabeth Davies

Edward and Elizabeth, are my great great great great great grandparents! No other information about them to date.

Source: IGI, via FamilySearch

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Thomas & Jane Ashton: Marriage

Thomas & Jane Ashton: Marriage

I was looking for the marriage of Thomas Ashton and Jane (my great great great grandparents), on IGI. This is the only marriage for them I can come up with, in the whole of Wales, and it is Trefeglwys:

IGI Individual Record

Thomas ASHTON Male

Christening: 07 MAY 1797 Newtown, Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales

Parents: Father: John ASHTON Mother: Elizabeth SAVAGE

Marriages: Spouse: Jane OWEN

Marriage: 08 NOV 1818 Source Information: Film Number: 457481 Page Number: Reference number:

The year of marriage is about right, as Thomas (their son) by my records was born 1819-1820. Secondly, Thomas' christening here would make it he was christened around 3 years old, against his age on the 1881 census plus his gravestone.

Finding this record has opened up another 3 generations of Ashtons, whose records I will post here, but I need to check if the Thomas found is indeed mine.

Source: IGI, via FamilySearch

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Thomas & Mary Ashton: Marriage

Thomas & Mary Ashton: Marriage

UPDATE 8.2.05: None of these are mine. It seems that Free BMD doesn't list the marriage of Thomas ASHTON and Mary NEWELL, which are in fact mine. See this entry for further details.

Note to self, recognise the limits of Free BMD, and it has not been transcribed fully yet!

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Free BMD returns two marriages between Thomas Ashton and Mary, between 1840 and 1870.

Marriages Mar 1850

ASHTON Thomas Newtown & 27 197 EVANS Mary Newtown * 27 197

Source: here and here.

However, I suspect this one is mine:

Marriages Mar 1852

ASHTON Thomas Newtown 11b 319 JENKINS Mary Newtown 11b 319

Source: here and here.

I could not find any Thomas with a Mary Ashton on the 1851 census in the Trefeglwys and Llanwnog areas, indicating that there could have been no marriage before that date, although I do accept they could have been missed off the census, or indeed living at different places. That said, all the Thomas Ashtons that I came across in 1851, were registered as unmarried. I need to double check if this was just Trefeglwys, or did I look further afield?

John Ashton was born in 1860 or 1862, hinting that he might have some siblings.

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Magdalen Evans: Christening

Magdalen Evans: Christening

This is the christening of my great great grandmother:

MAGDALEN EVANS Female

Christening: 22 JUN 1839 Llanddeiniol, Cardigan, Wales

Parents: Father: JOHN EVANS Mother: JANE

Source Information: Batch Number: 7002113 Sheet: 21 Source Call No.: 0538192 Type: Film

Source

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February 06, 2005

Richard Bryan's burial record

Richard Bryan's burial record

As a result of contact made via the Shropshire list, a kind subscriber has found my great great grandfather's burial record:

Richard Bryan, age 72.

Buried 24th August 1890. Miller of St. Mary's Parish.

Grave No. 3805 in Consecrated ground. Folio No. 1098.

(sometimes these two numbers were accidentally reversed so it could be grave No. 1098)

This fits with other records.

Thanks, Gwynne!

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February 05, 2005

John Ashton: BMD Index

John Ashton: BMD Index

These are the Free BMD listings for John Ashton, for around 1862 (2 year margin). I think the 1862 one is mine, but you never know with these things. Just putting up here, so I can order his birth certificate later. Its his mother's maiden name I'm interested in.

Births Jun 1861 Ashton John Newtown 11b 218 Ashton John Newtown 11b 215

Births Mar 1862 ASHTON John Newtown 11b 213

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Evan Williams: 1881 census

Evan Williams: 1881 census

Evan, I suspect is my great great great grandfather's - Matthew Williams' - brother. The son of David and Elizabeth Williams (my great great great great grandparents).

This is not verified, but he is the only Evan on the 1881 census in the Trefeglwys area. The date of birth is also 5 years out, compared to the 1841 census. Noting this census only recorded ages in 5 year blocks, this coule be possible.

Otherwise, Evan could have moved away by 1881 and I should extend my search. Note the only other Evan's in Montgomershire are in the north east of the county. The second possibility is he had died. I need to check other sources, before extending my field.

Evan WILLIAMS Head M Male 46 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Gen Labourer Dorothy WILLIAMS Wife M Female 46 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Mary WILLIAMS Daur U Female 20 Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales Dress Maker David JONES Lodger U Male 25 Glamorgan, Wales School Master

Source Information: Dwelling Pant Y Glyn Census Place Tref-Eglwys, Montgomery, Wales Family History Library Film 1342318 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5482 / 132 Page Number 7

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Williams & Jones marriage certificate ordered

Williams & Jones marriage certificate ordered

Just a note to myself: Matthew Willliams and Ann Jones' marriage certificate, ordered this morning.

BMD reference:

Marriages Dec 1852 Williams Matthew Newtown 11b 429 Jones Ann Newtown 11b 429

EDD: 21 February

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February 04, 2005

Ashton: 1841 Census

Ashton: 1841 Census

Listed in the extended entry are Ashton families within the Trefeglwys and Llanidloes area. I am not sure if these people have any relationship with my family.

There is also a Thomas ASHTON listed, but I don't know where LGG is?

This Thomas Ashton is a strong suspect, as the age is about right. I have no idea where LGG is though.

Delvarch

Henry HAMER M 70 Farmer Y Lgg Ann HAMER F 70 - Y Lgg Richard HAMER M 40 - Y Lgg James HAMER M 30 - Y Lgg Elizabeth HAMER F 35 - Y Lgg Jane OWENS F 12 - Y Lgg Thomas ASHTON F 20 - Ag Lab Y Lgg Edward WILLIAMS M 12 - Ag Lab Y Lgg Mary REES F 20 FS (above) - Y Lgg Elizabeth REES F 20 Mantua Maker - Y Lgg

No relationship recorded for people living in the house, which is frustrating:

Severn Port

Thomas ASHTON M 65 Labourer Y Lid Susan ASHTON F 65 - Y Lid Thomas ASHTON M 30 Weaver Y Lid Elizabeth ASHTON F 4 - Y Lid George ASHTON M 32 - Y Lid

No occupations for these. Why?

Lower Green

Edward ASHTON M 50 Y Lid Ann ASHTON F 60 Y Lid Thomas ASHTON M 20 Y Lid Mary ASHTON F 15 Y Lid

I doubt if these Ashtons are closely related to my ancestors, but the irony is they were living at 1 Cerist. My great grandmother's brother lived at Cerist:

Cerist

Richard ASHTON M 40 Weaver Y Lid Jane ASHTON F 40 Y Lid Mary ASHTON 12 Y Lid John ASHTON 14 Y Lid Richard ASHTON 10 Y Lid Thomas ASHTON 8 Y Lid Edward ASTHON 6 Y Lid Evan ASHTON 3 Y Lid

Note, there are others living in this property, but they were not noted:

Great Oak Street

Thomas ASHTON M 20 Shoemaker Y Lid

Weaving seemed to be in high demand:

Great Oak Street

Edward ASHTON M 65 Labourer Y Lid Mary ASHTON F 68 - Y Lid Roger ASHTON M 30 Weaver Y Lid Thomas ASHTON M 25 Weaver Y Lid Richard ASHTON M 20 Weaver Y Lid Elizabeth ASHTON F 25 Weaver Y Lid Mary ASHTON F 10 - Y Lid Ann JONES F 20 Spinner Y Lid

What is a Slay Maker?

Great Oak Street

Thomas ASHTON M 25 Slay Maker Y Lid Mary ASHTON F 30 - Y Lid Anne ASHTON F 0 - Y Lid

I've no idea where Nant is.

Nant

Edward ASHTON M 33 Weaver Y Lid Mary ASHTON F 33 - Y Lid Richard ASTHON M 12 - Y Lid Edward ASHTON M 10 - Y Lid John ASHTON M 8 - Y Lid Mary ASHTON F 6 - Y Lid Thomas ASHTON M 5 - Y Lid Sarah ASHTON F 2 - Y Lid

Lots of Ashtons in the Llanwnog area, any connection?

Gwynfynydd

Thomas ASHTON M 40 Farmer Y Lwg Martha ASHTON F 35 - Y Lwg Thomas ASHTON M 13 - Y Lwg Elizabeth ASHTON F 11 - Y Lwg Richard ASHTON M 9 - Y Lwg John ASHTON M 7 - Y Lwg Edward ASHTON M 5 - Y Lwg Ann ASHTON F 2 - Y Lwg Mary ASHTON F 0 - Y Lwg

I suspect that this Thomas Ashton might be mine, although the wrong place of birth. Meant to be Trefeglwys!

Church House

Thomas ASHTON M 20 Ag Lab Y Lwg

Family doesn't appear to have any connections:

Gribinfach

Charles ASHTON M 45 Carpenter Y Tfg Elizabeth ASHTON F 40 - Y Tfg Thomas ASHTON M 13 Y Tfg Jane ASHTON F 10 Y Tfg

What is a Woollen Slubber?

Braichfedw Fa+

John ASHTON M 25 Woollen Slubber Y Tfg Mary ASHTON F 30 - Y Tfg John ASHTON M 8 - Y Tfg Elizabeth ASHTON F 7 - Y Tfg Edward ASHTON M 5 - Y Tfg Richard ASHTON M 3 - Y Tfg Thomas ASHTON M 2 - Y Tfg Benjamin ASHTON M 0 - Y Tfg

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Ashton: Trefeglwys area, 1851 census

Ashton: Trefeglwys area, 1851 census

The extended entry shows random and possibly suspect Ashtons for the Trefeglwys area for the 1851 census. I've included the full household. This is possible information to explore at a later date, when I'm clearer on wider family members for that time.

Please note the annoying wording between each census formatting, is down to needing to make the CSS work! (That's is web design waffle).

As yet no Ashtons recognised:

Cwmbelan f313 / p7

ASHTON Charles H M 62 Ag Lab 3a MGY Trefeglwys ASHTON Mary W M 51 Ag Lab Wife MGY Llanwrnog ASHTON Jane D U 11 - MGY Trefeglwys THOMAS Sarah GD U 1 - M7GY Trefeglwys

As yet the Ashton is not recognised:

Typarton f314 / 39

EVANS Griffith H M 37 Flannel Weaver MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Margaret W M 37 Weaver's Wife MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Margaret D U 5 - MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Griffith S U 3 - MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Richard S U 4m - MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Mary MT W 76 Pauper MGY Trefeglwys ASHTON Elizabeth AU - 71 Pauper MGY Trefeglwys BRUNT Mary ML W 80 Farmer's Widow MGY Trefeglwys

As yet, the Ashton is not recognised:

Wara?> f320 / p3

EVANS Richard H M 69 Pauper f/t Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Mary W M Pauper Fly house servant MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Jane D U 36 Fly house servant MGY Trefeglwys JONES John GS U 10 - MGY Trefeglwys OWEN Richard GS U 8 - MGY Trefeglwys ASHTON David GS U 6 - MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Edward GS U 1 - MGY Trefeglwys

As yet the Ashton is not recognised:

Wern f301 / p2

MILLS Edward H U 22 F'hold fmr 19a 0 lab MGY Trefeglwys ASHTON Mary SV U 25 House Servant MGY Trefeglwys

As yet the Ashton is not recognised:

Pwllglas f304 / p7

MILLS David H U 56 Fmr 145a 4 lab MGY Trefeglwys MILLS Thomas BR U 61 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys TUDOR Elizabeth SV U 55 House Servant MGY Penegoes WOOSNAM Elizabeth SV U 16 House Servant MGY Llanidloes GRIFFITHS Ann SV U 22 House Servant MGY Trefeglwys WILLIAMS Thomas SV U 27 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys MORGAN Rees SV U 26 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys ASHTON Thomas SV U 16 Ag Lab MGY Llanidloes

As yet the Ashton is not recognised:

Cyll f305 / p10

EDWARDS Richard H M 43 Fmr 160a 4 lab MGY Trefeglwys EDWARDS Eleanor W M 44 - MGY Llangurig EDWARDS Ann D U 13 Scholar MGY Trefeglwys EDWARDS John S U 10 Scholar MGY Trefeglwys EDWARDS Richard S U 8 Scholar MGY Trefeglwys EDWARDS Mary D U 6 Scholar MGY Trefeglwys EDWARDS Eleanor D U 4 - MGY Trefeglwys EDWARDS Edward FT W Retired Farmer MGY Kerry BRUNT Hannah SV U 35 House Servant MGY Carno BRUNT Margaret SV U 15 House Servant MGY Trefeglwys DAVIES John SV U 23 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys HIGGS Edward SV U 17 MGY Llanidloes ASHTON Edward SV U 16 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys

As yet, the Ashton is not recognised:

Mill House f412 / p16

GRIFFITHS John H U 44 Miller MGY Trefeglwys ASHTON John SV U 57 Miller MGY Trefeglwys BREESE Catherine SV 37 Housemaid MGY Trefeglwys

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Another Matthew Williams, 1851 Census

Another Matthew Williams, 1851 Census

There is another Matthew Williams on the 1851 census, but I cannot place him as mine. Including here as additional notes, in case needed at a later stage.

Bodaioch f302 / p3

SAVAGE Edward H M 56 Fmr 154a 3 lab MGY Trefeglwys SAVAGE Mary Ann W M 55 - MGY Trefeglwys SAVAGE Elizabeth D U 24 Farmer's daughter at home MGY Trefeglwys SAVAGE Evan Woosnam S U 21 Farmer's son on farm MGY Llanidloes SAVAGE William S U 19 Farmer's son on farm MGY Llanidloes SAVAGE Richard S U 17 Farmer's son on farm MGY Llanidloes SAVAGE John S U 12 Farmer's son on farm MGY Llanidloes FOULKES Jane SV U 19 House Servant MGY Trefeglwys DAVIES Maurice SV U 26 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys WILLIAMS Matthew SV U 22 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys MILLS John SV U 12 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys WOOSNAM Evan SV U 47 Prop of Lands MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Susannah SV U 48 House Servant MGY Carno JONES Margaret SV U 14 House Servant MGY Trefeglwys MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Pryce SV U 11 House Servant MGY Carno

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February 03, 2005

Thomas Ashton: 1851 Census

Thomas Ashton: 1851 Census

I suspect this is my great great grandfather, the age is right:

Penydol f294 / p3

EVANS Richard H M 72 Farmer 100 acres 2 lab MGY Mallwyd EVANS Jane W M 66 Farmer's Wife MGY Carno EVANS John S U 26 Farmer's son at home MGY Trefeglwys HUGHES Jane GD U 6 - MGY Trefeglwys ASHTON Thomas SV U 31 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys MORGAN Bonner SV U 13 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys GRIFFITHS Mary SV U 17 General Servant MGY Kerry

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Matthew Williams: 1851 census

Matthew Williams: 1851 census

I think the Matthew Williams in this household is my great great grandfather. However, there is another Matthew Williams on the 1851 census, which will be included in another entry should I have got the wrong person. From later censuses, he is born c1830, making him around 21 years for the 1851 census.

Pennant f293 / p1

EVANS Thomas H M 46 Farmer 216 a emp, 511 ab., MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Mary W M 41 Farmer's Wife MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Sarah D U 13 Farmer's daughter at home MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Thomas S U 10 Farmer's son at home MGY Trefeglwys EVANS David S U 7 Farmer's son at home MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Evan S U 5 Farmer's son at home MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Charles S U 3 Farmer's son at home MGY Trefeglwys EVANS Mary D U 5m Farmer's daughter at home MGY Trefeglwys SWANCOTT Sarah SV U 21 Housemaid MGY Llanwrnog DAVIES Jane SV U 21 Housemaid MGY Trefeglwys JONES Ann SV U 14 Nurse MGY Trefeglwys THOMAS Jerimiah SV U 21 Ag Lab MGY Llanidloes WILLIAMS Matthew SV U 19 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys BENNETT John SV U 17 Ag Lab MGY Trefeglwys

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Ashton: 1891 Census

Ashton: 1891 Census

John and Elizabeth are my great grandparents:

ASHTON John Head M 29 Railway Labourer - plate MGY Llanwnog ASTHON Elizabeth Wife M 21 - MER Dolgelly ASHTON John Son - 3 - MGY Llanwnog ASHTON Richard Son - 3m - MGY Llanwnog

37985 4591/8 60 LWG Clatter

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Ashton: 1891 Census (2)

Ashton: 1891 Census (2)

These are my great great grandparents:

ASHTON Thomas Head M 72 Agric Lab MGY Trefeglwys ASHTON Mary M 70 - Llanwnog

37985 4591/8 60 LWG Clatter

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Nantyderw: 1891

Nantyderw: 1891

The 1891 census shows that both the houses at Nantyderw were unoccupied:

59148 4590/12 87 TFG Nantyderw Unoccupied

59148 4590/12 87 TFG Nantyderw Unoccupied

At the time of the 1881 census, my great great great grandparents plus great great grandfather was living here. (Williams)

By 1891 Matthew my great great great grandfather had now died, and David was living in Ystradfodwg with a young family. I am left wondering if the property belonged to them, and if it had, was the house remaining empty if David decided to come back to Trefeglwys (which he did at a later date).

The 1901 census shows him and his family living in the Belle Vue. I am wondering if they moved into the Belle Vue as soon as they returned to Trefeglwys, or indeed moved to Nantyderw or someplace else in the interim?

Where was Anne, Matthew's wife in 1891? Her gravestone inscription indicates she did not die until 1917.

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Williams: 1841 Census

Williams: 1841 Census

David & Elizabeth (parents) are my great great great great grandparents. Matthew is my great great great grandfather.

Penyfridd

David Williams M M 50 Farmer Trefeglwys Elizabeth Williams F M 50 - Trefeglwys Matthew Williams M U 12 - Trefeglwys Evan Williams M U 9 - Trefeglwys Elizabeth Williams F U 20 - Trefeglwys Mary Williams F U 15 - Trefeglwys William Williams M U 6 - Trefeglwys

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John & Elizabeth Ashton: Gravestone

John & Elizabeth Ashton: Gravestone

These are my great grandparents.

Gravestone at Shiloh Methodist Chapel, Clatter. Granite headstone and urn with kerb.

Urn: In Loving Memory

Er Serchus Gof Am

Elizabeth Ashton

Clatter Terrace

Yr hon a hunodd yn yr Iesu

Mawrth 21ain 1937

Yn 69 Mlwydd Oed

"Gorffwysfa dawel, ded, ddi-stwr"

Hefd am ei Phriod hoff

John Ashton

Yr hwn a hunodd yn ur Iesu

Tachwedd 29, 1940

Yn 79 Mlwydd oed

Ni cheir diwedd byth ar swn y Delyn Aur

Need the English translation? Read on ...

In loving memory of

Elizabeth Ashton

Clatter Terrace

who fell asleep in Jesus

21st March 1937

69 years

Rest free from [without] trouble

Also her husband

John Ashton

who fell asleep in Jesus

29th November 1940

79 years

There will be no end to the Golden Harp

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Carol Ashton: gravestone

Carol Ashton: gravestone

Gravestone at Shiloh Methodist Chapel, Clatter. Carol(e) is the granddaughter of my great grandparents, with Martin their son.

Martin was my grandmother's - Maglona's - brother, making Carol(e) her neice.

Marble tablet and urn with kerb

Urn:

Loving memory Carole Ashton Born Dec. 15 1942 Died June 5 1946

Tablet:

In loving memory of

Carol

daughter of M. & S. Ashton

5 Clatter Terrace

died June 1946 aged 3 and half years

'Safe in the arms of Jesus'

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Thomas & Mary Ashton: Gravestone

Thomas & Mary Ashton: Gravestone

Gravestone at Shiloh Methodist Chapel, Clatter. These are my great great grandparents.

Slate headstone with kerb (Mason: Kinsey, Llandinam)

Er serchog gof am

Mary Ashton

Bu Farw Chwefor 14eg, 1895

yn 74 mlwydd oed

'Fy nyddiau sydd fel cysgod yn cilio; a minnau fel glaswelltyn a wywais'

Ni ddaw'm cyfeillion teg eu gwedd I'm hebrwng ond hyd lan y bedd Try pawb eu cefnau, dyma'r dydd Gadawant fi'n fy ngwely pridd

Hefyd am ei Phriod

Thomas Ashton

Yr Hwen a fu farw Chwefror 19eg 1897

Yn 76 Mlwydd Oed

Fy nyddiau a ddarfyddant fel mwg

Need an English translation? Read on ...

In loving memory of

Mary Ashton

who died 14 February 1895

74 years

My days are like purring shadows And I am like a blade of grass withering My friends only come To greet me at the side of the grave They turn their backs, this is the day They left me in my earthen bed

Also her husband

Thomas Ashton

who died February 19th 1897

76 years

My days have ended like smoke

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Matthew Williams: gravestone

Matthew Williams: gravestone

This is my great great great grandfather. His wife Anne, is buried with their daughter Sarah.

Trefeglwys, St Micheal's Church

Slate headstone with part of kerb

In memory of

Matthew Williams

late of Nant-y-derw

who died August 9th 1888

Aged 60 years

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the son of man cometh

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Sarah & Anne Williams: Gravestone

Sarah & Anne Williams: Gravestone

Anne Williams was my great great great grandmother. Sarah was Anne's daughter, who is also buried with her. Sarah's father, and Anne's husband was Matthew, and details of his gravestone is here.

Trefeglwys, St Micheals

Slate headstone with part of kerb

Er cof am

Sarah

Merch Matthew ag Anne Williams

o Nantyderw, yn y plwyf hwn, yr hon a fu farw Mai 11eg 1873 Yn 23 oed

Hefyd am y dy wededig

Anne Williams

A fu farw onawr 8fed 1917

Yn 87 mlwydd oed

Questions: why did Anne want to be buried with Sarah? Did she never get over her death at 23? Or didn't like her husband that much? Or was it simply impractical to be buried with Matthew?

Need an English translation? Read on ...

In memory of

Sarah

Daughter of Matthew and Anne Williams from Nantyderw, in this parish

who died May 11th 1873

Also of the late

Anne Williams

who died

8th January 1917

87 years of age

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Gladys & Victor Williams: Gravestone

Gladys & Victor Williams: Gravestone

These are the children of my great great grandparents - David & Elizabeth Williams.

Trefeglwys, St Micheals

Marbe crossed headstone (fallen) on plinth

In

Loving Memory

Gladys

April 25 1899

Aged 3 and half years

Also Victor Robert

Died Dec 30 1900

Aged 11 weeks

Children of David & Elizabeth Ann Williams Belle Vue, Trefeglwys

Gone from us but not forgotten Never shall their memory fade Sweetest thoughts shall ever linger Round the spot where they are laid

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Thomas & Jane Ashton: Gravestone

Thomas & Jane Ashton: Gravestone

This is the gravestone of my great great great grandparents. Where is Bronhaul?

Trefeglwys, St Micheals

In memory of

Jane

wife of Thomas Ashton

of Bronhaul

who died July 26 1861 aged 67 years

also of the aboved named

Thomas Ashton

who died Feb 27 1886 Aged 92 years

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John & Martha Ashton: Gravestone

John & Martha Ashton: Gravestone

Uncle Johnny was my grandmother's - Maglona's - brother. Son of John & Elizabeth Ashton (my great grandparents). Grave is also of his wife, Martha Elizabeth.

Slate headstone and urn with kerb (Mason: Kinsey)

In Loving Memory of

John Ashton

Weeg Crossing, Llanwnog

Passed away Feb. 28 1952 Aged 63 years

At rest

Also of

Martha Elizabeth

his beloved wife

Passed away Mar. 15 1967 Aged 73 years

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Ashton: Margaret Ellen Thomas Gravestone

Ashton: Margaret Ellen Thomas Gravestone

Auntie Maggie was my grandmother's - Maglona's - elder sister, and daughter of John & Elizabeth Ashton (my great grandparents).

Shiloh Methodist Chapel, Clatter.

Granite headstone and urn with kerb

Urn: May

Headstone:

Treasured Memories

of

Margaret Ellen Thomas

3 Maesygenlli, Clatter

died June 23rd 1985

aged 86 years

In heavenly love abiding

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Ashton: Gwen, Beryl & Richard Gravestone

Ashton: Gwen, Beryl & Richard Gravestone

Richard is my grandmother's - Maglona's - brother. Gwen is his wife, and Beryl is daughter.

Gravestone at Shiloh Methodist Chapel, Clatter.

Marble tablet with kerb

Treasued memories

of

Gwen Ashton 1898-1929

Beryl Ashton 1922-1929

Richard Ashton 1891-1969

of Saron Chapel House

Forever with the Lord

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Doug Ashton: Hymns & Psalms Memorial

Doug Ashton: Hymns & Psalms Memorial

Set of 'Hymns and Psalms'

Presented by Family & Friends in memory of Douglas Ashton Shiloh Church

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Ashton: gravestone, Shiloh

Ashton: gravestone, Shiloh

In Loving Memory of

Megan George

Daughter of

John & Martha E. Ashton

Died Dec. 3 1928

Age 3 years 4 months

Also of the Infant Son of Walford & Dawn Ashton

Died Dec. 6 1949

Suffer little children to come unto me

[Possibly Gareth M. ASHTON: see GRO Births Dec 1949]

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Ashton: Roll of Honour - Shiloh

Ashton: Roll of Honour - Shiloh

Roll of Honour in Wooden Frame

Roll of Honour Shiloh

1 Private Emlyn JONES - "Glynawel" - Died, Cambridge Hospl. Feb. 15th 1915 2 Private John JONES - Shiloh Cottages 3 Private Samuel JONES - Oerffrwd Crossing 4 Private Joseph JONES - "Glynawel" 5 Private Richard JONES - Pandy-bach 6 Private Benjamin DAVIES - Llwydcoed 7 Private Lewis JONES - Shiloh Cottages 8 Private John Davies - Llwydcoed. Died of wounds - Nov. 26 1917 9 Private Alfred CORFIELD - Rhiwgriafol 10 Private Cornelius JONES - Tai-gwynion 11 Private John ASHTON - Clatter 12 Private Lewis THOMAS - Hen-Crwm 13 Private Henry JONES - Shiloh Cottages 14 Private John EVANS - Orffrwd Mill Cottage 15 Private Thomas JONES - Tai-gwynion 16 Private John E. EVANS - Neuadd Newydd

I've no idea who this John Ashton is. Assuming this relates to WWI, then my great grandfather would have been too old, likewise his son too young. I currently do not know of any other Ashtons living in the Clatter district, or who used Shilioh Methodist Church.

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Ashton: Flower Stand, Shiloh Chapel

Ashton: Flower Stand, Shiloh Chapel

Flower stand

In memory of

Martin and Sarah ASHTON

and daughter Carol

5 Clatter Terrace

"Atgofion melys"

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February 02, 2005

Bryan/Pugh: marriage certificate ordered

Bryan/Pugh: marriage certificate ordered

Note to self: Walter Bryan and Gwen Pugh's marriage certificate ordered this morning. I wish the GRO would send e mail confirmation!

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John Theophilus & Magdalen Evans: Marriage

John Theophilus & Magdalen Evans: Marriage

The marriage certificate of my great great grandparents. Bold denotes handwriting on the certificate.

1860 Marriage solemnized at the Church in the Parish of Llanddeinol in the County of Cardigan

No: 40

When married: July 20th 1860

Name and surname: John Theophilus Magdalen Evans

Age: 24 21

Condition: Bachlor Spinster

Rank or Profession: Butcher

Residence at the time of marriage: Aberystwith Blaencarrog

Father's name and surname: David Theophilus John Evans

Rank or Profession of Father: Shoemaker Farmer

Married in the Parish Chuch according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by Banns by me James Evans, Incumbent

This Marriage was solemnized between us, John Theophilus X by mark Magdalen Evans

In the presence of us, Edward James Hugh Flu

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February 01, 2005

Williams: 1891 Census (Ystradfodwg)

Williams: 1891 Census (Ystradfodwg)

williamsystradfodwg.gif

RF12/4424, folio 95, pg. 15, Clydach, Ystradyfodwg, sch. 87 28 Victoria St.

David Williams Head Marr 33 Railway Warehouseman Trefeglwys, Montgomery Elizabeth A. Williams Wife Marr ?26 Ystradyfodwg, Glam. Sarah A. Williams Dau 5 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glam. Mary E. Williams dau 3 Ystradyfodwg, Glam

Thanks, Phil, Rina and Ceri!

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Theophilus: gravestone

Theophilus: gravestone

This is the gravestone is in Llanbadarn Fawr churchyard. It is the siblings of my great grandmother, Margaret Ann Theophilus and the children of John and Magdalene.

H96

Er serchus gof am Morgan Theophilus,

mab John a Magdalene Theophilus o'r pentref hwn,

bu fawr Tachwedd 11, 1901, yn 29 mlwydd oed.

Hefyd am Mary Jane,

merch John a Magdalene Theophilus,

bu farw Ebrill 11, 1885, yn 23 mlwydd oed.

Thanks Ann!

Can't understand the Welsh, then read on.

In loving memory of

Morgan Theophilus

son of John and Magdalene Theophilus of this village

who died on 11 Novemeber 1901

Also of

Mary Jane

Daughter of John and Magdalene Theophilus

who died on April 11th, 1885

aged 23 years

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John & Magdalene Theophilus: gravestone

John & Magdalene Theophilus: gravestone

Inscription of my great great grandparent's gravestone, at Llanbadarn Fawr churchyard.

H97

Er serchus gof am

John Theophilus

o'r pentref hwn,

bu fawr Mehefin 19, 1896, yn 63 mlwydd oed.

Hefyd am Magdalene,

ei briod, bu farw

Tachwedd 14, 1910, yn 71 mlwydd oed.

Thanks, Ann!

English translation in the extended entry, for those who are clueless.

In Loving Memory of

John Theophilus

of this village

who died June 19th, 1896 Aged 63 years

Also of Magdalene his wife

who died October 14th, 1910 Aged 71 years

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Nutting = frustration

Nutting = frustration

Question: why did my stupid ancestors, and those who presumably were related, call their children the same name? What gives? Did they have to resort to giving children numbers?

Nutting. More precisely in the form of Sarah Ann Nutting, my great great grandmother.

Census in 1841 says:

HO107 1195/3 Folio 18, pp 30-31 Charford, Bromsgrove

Wm. NUTTING, 30, Ag. Lab., born in county Alice NUTTING, 25, born in county Sarah NUTTING, 4, born in county - Thos. NUTTING, 35, Ag. Lab., born in county Elizth. NUTTING, 8, born in county Sarah NUTTING, 6, born in county

For more information, see this post.

From later censuses, it seems plausible that my great great grandmother is the Sarah aged 6 in this census, making her father Thomas.

However, christening information starts to cast serious doubts in one's mind:

Sarah Ann NUTTING christened on 30 April 1837

Parents William Nutting & Alice

This obviously is the Sarah who is aged 4 in the 1841 census.

Now I don't know which one is mine! The Sarah aged 6 appears to be the right age (by later censuses), but I can't be certain! Its only 2 years out, and right now I feel like screaming at my ancestors. What makes it worse, it is the same names in the same house too. One wonders if the granny was an immortal shrine through their children or something, hence the need to reproduce countless Sarah (Ann) Nuttings.

I wonder if the 6 year old's middle name is Ann too? All I know now is the one aged 4 is, but is it the wrong age? I need this all this verified, as I want to know which are the right parents, making them my ggg grandparents, and thus I can continue with my research.

It also questions if I found the right Sarah for the 1851 census.

Now where do I go to verify the above? Would the marriage certificate give me any clues? Do any readers have ideas?

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